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Wednesday, January 06, 2010

Fantastic Facts and Fancies

What's My name???

Just read a couple of fantastic facts and funnies this morning.

1. Who is this TUHAN referred to in our national anthem NegaraKu? Many "learned" Malaysians, including Mahathir Mohd., insist that Tuhan refers to the Christian God. So how now? The poor Muslim students at school assemblies all over the country will be so confused and traumatised.

2. The use of "Allah" IS allowed. The use of "Allah" is NOT allowed. I am wondering here, just WHO is doing all the "allowing" for using the name of God.

3. The Attorney-General says that in the case of the missing jet engines the most important thing now is to recover the engines. Eh? I thought that might be the 2nd most important thing. Didn't I read somewhere that these engines are old and out of date and that the jet fighters we have that use them are mostly already decommissioned anyway. So why are we so eager to spend more money(millions I am sure) to recover a pile of junk?

Isn't the most important thing to a) bring the thieves to justice and b) investigate the then air-force big shots, the then minister of defence etc under whose watch the "theft" occurred?

No ah? This is Malaysia issit? Oh sorry ah!


Oh oh oh...just saw this in The Star after I posted the rant....

Courts are not the avenue - "Allah" controversy cannot be resolved through the law, says Dr. M

So typical of how the old man does things and used to do things isn't it? Courts? Laws? WAFFOR? This man is good la.

Oh oh oh.........this is funny. In a tragic kind of way.

In the whole state of Terengganu there is no usable operating theatre!!! And we are spending time, effort and money arguing about God's name and trying to recover old jet engines. I think we should definitely spend some of our tax-payers money on sharpening the executioner's axe and waxing the head-chopping block.



SK said...

Hahahahaha, diuuuuuu ....

art harun said...

Aiyo, die lor lidat. Die.

Anonymous said...

correct, correct,

Ho ho ho said...

I hope the operating theatres roof did not come down. Otherwise, we can call the state as Terengganu Darul Bumbung Runtuh. I think some people in the state JKR must be closing an eye in the various projects in Terengganu, or rather they have closed on eye and shut the other.

Anonymous said...

After getting over Art Harun funny artical here comes Patrick that's right Pat this is what we are use to not the ruubish comment. Anyway we have to amuse ourself after all this is the start of another lousy, glomy year so carry on.

ableedingmalaysian said...

I dunno whether the court is right or wrong in allowing the use of Allah by the Christians, but I know for sure that it's not going to make me less Muslim nor make the Chritians more Christians.

Mua....wakakakakka...........stupid Malaysians.

Anonymous said...

Allah Emang (a Kayan from Long Atip, Sarawak)) is the Purchasing Manager at LNG, Bintulu.

Shanghai Lily said...

well, most of us think we belong to God, Tuhan or Allah,while some think Allah belongs to them!!

LC Teh said...

AMAZING MALAYSIA...(slogan borrowed from Thailand Tourist Board)

Anonymous said...

Then we have to follow Namawee to sing, Negarakuku instead. LoL.

Mike Tan said...

Ya loh.Forever leaking,forever collapse,computer labs lah,schools lah,hospitals lah,stadium roofs lah,parliment lah.

What do u expects.Melayu got the contracts,passed to maincon,then passed to chinaman subcon.At the end,profit only Kei Soi(chicken feed). Nothing good is cheap,nothing cheap is good.

As for the national anthem,law will be amended that mandate the muslims to sing "Allah kurniakan"
instead of "Tuhan kurniakan".

And as for the Kedah state anthem,the non muslims will not
sing the word "Allah" but "Tuhan".

I believe the Brigadier and senior
officers asked to leave the Air Force as they were the senior management of the org that lost the engines.It in not in the history or norm of RMAF to remove commisioned officers on the ground of incompetence.

Anonymous said...

God is God. Whats the deal abt who owns the copyright to that word. We've sung the national anthem for years, the word Tuhan means God, open to intepretation. Whatever the person has in mind for that word is it.
There are better things to do like maybe not letting something like a Jet Engine be stolen perhaps? On the superficial level, it makes the Country a laughingstock of the modern world, on the serious side, someone, somewhere just commited treason by stealing the engines.

Anonymous said...

some points to add:
1.Very simple la. Just change Tuhan to Allah in Negeraku lor!
2.Aiyah you want to know who?
Ask Najib.He is above the law.
3.The AG is correct you know.Most important is to get the engines back at all cost.One to make the international community,esp.USA happy and secondly to put the engines back at the place.No loss then case close!
Why you need operating theatres in Terengganu? People there are so healthy, never get serious illness and so dont need surgeries.I think they have many brain-scanners!
Have a good day friend....

Keliru said...

I am from Kedah and a non-Muslim.

The Kedah state anthem has 'Allah' in its lyrics.

Does that mean that non-Muslims should be exempted from singing this Kedah state anthem as we are not Muslim (or Christians, for the time being)?

BN is making things very complicated for citizens.

Anonymous said...

The "apa nama" senile fela claimed he "telah lupa and tak boleh ingat" and could not recall anything put it to him during the korretx3 RCI. Now he has miraculously recovered from his selective amnesia and claimed that the issue was a sensitive one even brought up during his tenure as PM. I suggest we all oso "lupa" him la. Dont listen to his craps.

BungBungBung said...

BN & controlled media still think we r small kids with such F5 engines recovery story that does not make logical & economic sense.
That Maverick Mamak should learn from his daughter on what community unity is all about.

Susan-Loone said...

Police reports are used to intimidate people. These days they’re no longer tools for victims to seek protection or redress. This happens when aggressors think they have the Attorney General’s office on their side.

On Jan 1, MACC officers filed two separate police reports against Dr Porntip nd Suara Keadilan, the organ of PKR, which claimed, in an article, that the pathologist had confirmed that Teoh Beng Hock was murdered. (Malaysiakini)

Yesterday, Teoh’s family has applied for the MACC officers to be hauled up for criminal intimidation of an expert witness and for attempting to delay the course of justice.

I hope Dr Pornthip would take some action herself. She should NOT take this threat lightly. Or allow these bullies to go unchecked. If she were just doing her job, if she has her own conclusions based on her expert opinion, why must she be intimidated for that?

After Teoh, MACC doesn’t seem to have learned any lessons. Do they wish to lose another witness?

Bob said...

Over 52 years the poor people of Trengganu have been manipulated and kept in cold storage.

God will avenge it. Almost all the religions in Malaysia have a "karmic" do onto others as u would others do unto u understanding, and all of them have a judgement day. The joke is the three Abrahamic religions have the same person who will be the Judge, His name is the Messiah (Jews), Jesus (Christians) and Isa Al-Masihi (Moslems). I stand in awe awaiting his Judgement.

Anonymous said...

Rukunegara #1:


So how????

mwahatir said...

Politicians are great thespians. They could even try to convince the masses of that they have divine religious knowledge. Only in Malaysia!

My God is not your God, Tuhan you bukan Tuhan ku. In the end, all end up in hell!


Thomas C B Chua said...

Pat, I join you to say "NIAMAH" !!!!!

bZbee said...

MAMULA moon....laa laa laa

rock steady crew said...

I am not a Christian nor a Muslim.

Reason is simple, I do not want to be involved in the thousands-year-old conflict between the two faiths that has spilt many blood and death of innocent lives.

Peace on earth!

Anonymous said...

Oh no. I am not muslim but I had sung lagu negeri perak and lagu negeri pahang.
"Ya Allah yang Maha kuasa,
Lanjutkan usia yang ..."

Anonymous said...

Mr.Patrick,may be should compile an archiveof fantastic facts and figure and let readers vote who is the most 'niamah' of them all.

ktteokt said...

Doesn't GOD Himself have a say in this? Why must He leave it to these mortals to decide?

niakong said...

When politics have become so rotten and corrupted beyond repair, this is what we get ... 1Malaysia.

These greedy people with vested interest to make their fat bank accounts even fatter, are now trying to be champions and fighters of religion. Just who are they to represent God? If one strongly believes in his religion, then just do his very own part to be a good and devoted follower. No need to be a kepoh what other followers of other religions are doing.

Btw, besides the Kedah State Anthem, Johor's has the word "Allah" too! And it goes like this, "Allah peliharakan Sultan ..."

Hmmm... i'm just wondering what other learned and established Muslims (not the Talibans of course) in other countries, especially the Middle East, think of the cartoons here in Malaysia!

Anonymous said...

Uncle Patrick,

here is a link to The American Muslim(TAM)written by Sheila Musaji.


Bumbung Bocor lah said...

I like the Negara & Rukun Negara where the muslim sings and pledge about Tuhan.....very strange.

Bocor teruk kata Samy
Wiring lama kata Ramli
Bangunan tua kata Nazri
Najib said it's PWD
Semua ada alasan sendiri
But where you all spent the money?
RM90 juta untuk cantikkan lobby
So that it looks luxury
Nice décor and nice settee
But now you kena letak baldi
Bocor teruk when it rains heavily
MP yang busuk pun boleh mandi
The floor is wet and slippery
The luxury lobby now looks untidy
Inilah dia third class mentality
Luar cantik tapi dalam very shoddy
Structure work should get priority
And now whose responsibility
JKR or Parliament Committee
While you all gaduh sama sendiri
Rakyat want an answer immediately
Otherwise kita tak bagi you undi
Sebab you spent money unnecessarily
You know it is taxpayers' money
So please spend the money wisely

Brenda Ang said...

Sangat sangat confusing!

Anonymous said...

hospital sungai petani, maternity OT also collecting habuk for 1 or 2 years already...

slohem said...

"....waxing the head-chopping block." . .? whatever for ? Most of the heads that should go there are real grease-balls anyway !

Anonymous said...

Since the lyric in our Anthem is highlighted, some people might have a excuse to change it now, since the Tuhan in it is not the actual God it was refering to. This is real rediculous.Everyyone who really knows God's Heart will know that this kind of quarrelling over His name will grief Him.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Oh no. I am not muslim but I had sung lagu negeri perak and lagu negeri pahang.
"Ya Allah yang Maha kuasa,
Lanjutkan usia yang ..."
6:11 PM

Aiyoh, better be careful ler. Next time you kena contempt of court masuk jel how?

Anonymous said...


Having no usable operating theatre in Terengganu is ok lah as long as Terenngganu has the Monsoon Cup, Crystal Mosque and the collapsed Stadium.

What is more important to the Terengganu BN government is to attract in "international tourists" to Terengganu to admire the Crystal Mosque and participate in the grand Monsoon Cup races because these activities help enrich the BN cronies. If any "Terengganuans" want to have an operation, they can hop over to Kelantan or Pahang or just drop dead in front of the Crystal Mosque. Problem solved QED.

Justice Bao said...

Maybe the name should be bodohland instead of bolehland....

Anyway, some ppl like ah MUAK proably will say,

kalau u tak suka, u boleh keluar dari MYS

haha, no worries, I will

Samuel Goh Kim Eng said...


Father, please forgive them
For they know not what they do
So that none may be damned
For those told what to do so

(C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng - 070110
Thur. 7th Jan. 2010.

Anonymous said...

I am who I am.Whatever name you call me from your HEART and I am well pleased.

You obeyed every law , give away an exact tithe BUT inside you are full of extortion and self indulgence and I will denounce you..

What's in a name ?
Still dont get enough of Datuk and Tan Sri or Tun ?

Legalism destroys our loving relationship with God.

Anonymous said...

The NAME long existed before the human race. It's for all and it's 1.(nothing to do with 1 Malaysia).
We hahve neglected many weightier matters.

Spiritual maturity is not how "pure" you are but your AWARNESS of your impurity.

Only the one who serves is qualified to preach and not the one spending times calling names-
Lips service.

Anonymous said...

And the old fox said you are a "pendatang" woh..
He forgot that his father Kutty came from Kerala, India, may be about time he is joining AP..

Anonymous said...

In this beautiful country of ours (I kid you not!)I find it very sad that there are so many of us that are so insecure that a simple word can generate so much animosity and rhetoric .. and so many of us that are so oblivious to the quagmire we are in is truly amazing ... so much impotence that the blue pill cannot resolve.

sad sack

Anonymous said...

Some more Selangor anthem every race sing it...

cherasusie said...

recovering F5 engines?

I dreamt ass'terday, president Obam shouting at PM..."You ass, I don't care how you do it, I want to see the engines in your base in one month times...otherwise, fook yourself."

I heard the PM said "Orrr" and I lost the dream.


Anonymous said...

Rukunegara's 1st principle :
" belief in God/Tuhan"
NO NO NO Allah ? so muslims no need to follow la ?

now, both @#$%^&*&^%$ pm & hm say,
' demonstrations ah !? baik, go ahead
esok !'

@#$%^&*&^%$#@, doomed !

KuLi said...

Tengku Razaleigh suggested that the rejection of Umno and the Barisan Nasional (BN) communal politics model by large swathes of voters in Election 2008 had led the Malay nationalist party to pursue racial issues more stridently.

“They think this will shore up their ’base’. They are mistaken about the nature of that base. As they do so, they become more extreme and out of touch with ordinary voters of every race and religion whose major concerns are not racial or religious identity but matters such as corruption, security, the economy and education.”

Anonymous said...

Terengganu, where hundreds of millions of the oil money are spent on the stupid Monsoon Cup enjoyed by some elite foreigners.

But the poor don't have good hospitals. This is what 1Malaysia is capable of.

When opening a 1Malaysia health centre, Najib when asked why name it 1Malaysia Health centre, he said: "Why 1Malaysia? Well, because Malaysians of all races can come here for equal access to healthcare"

Huh?????? So the existing hospitals are not for all? Not for 1Malaysia??? What is he talking about??


Anonymous said...

Don't forget the Rukun Negara.

The first prinsip


Who wrote the Rukun Negara???

Many of these UMNO/BN politicians are shooting their own feet. Ha!

Anonymous said...

4th world country's AG at his best........

Anonymous said...

Patrick Teoh,

Suppose there is one fler. He go to China and want to promote a brand new Religion.

So he want to centre of Beijing City with the population of Millions Buddhi's. He called the his version of God also "Buddha".

Millions of People start protesting. He go to court and guess what the court say, ok. The Comunist court following Karl Marx or Mao Tze Tung says its OK.

So what does this millions of like you says in your previous chapter "Confident Buddhis" do. Will they want to just keep quite?......

Please ahh... don't talk nonsense.....this is a complicated issue.'

Southern Malaysian

NutzeyWagen said... hacked!

Anonymous said...

and when it suits them we all have to sing Allah lanjutkan usia sultan-ku ! i sense trauma !
PRK wrote a good article yesterday on malaysia today. Do read it if you havent. Read a comment that the Sikh holy book also has Allah in it HOW NOW BROWN COW !!!!

Anonymous said...

This indian man called Pakiam is nuts.

Bible is the only document that validates Christianity as a religion. It is 2000 years old.

Then why is it that only recently does Pakiam and his colleagues decide to call his god ,ALLAH?

As far as I know , Pakiam is not a prophet. God didn't come to him and introduce himself as ALLAH

Pakiam must know that the early Bible is in the jewish language(hebrew).Then why is Pakiam adamant in using an arabic term (Allah) to describe a jewish god?

Pakiam is playing balls with the Muslims.And the Muslims know it. Pakiam must also know that the Muslims will never back off from a fight, especially if its about defending the sanctity of GOD.
The number of suicide attacks offshore clearly shows this.

Any court will stand by the Muslims in this fiasco.It is a clear cut case where the christianity is trying to rob the identity of their arch rival,Islam.

From a modern perspective, can we as Malaysians suddenly rename our country "The United States of America" because we think it's our right to do so? We can then of course print US dollars and dump them offshore.
What would the real Americans think? Would't it invite war?

Ho ho ho said...

The more I read the comments from both sides, the more I get confused. Is this a constitutional issue or language issue or religous issue or what ? I tend to agree that if in BM, God (for non muslims) is Tuhan. Perhaps the Bahasa Indonesia version which is Allah and which have been used for a very long time in Sabah and Sarawak should be corrected. But then how to correct as I understand that it is wrong to have a BM version of the Bible and that is why the people in Sabah and Sarawak use the Indon version. I am sure the christians can consider

Anonymous said...

Alamak! Oops!

bean laden said...

BN Gov is slowly but surely engineering the repeat of May out guys.... All other races and religion must tolerate the Islamic rights and no 2 way about it.

Anonymous said...

Hi Patrick, Interesting comment here by the American Muslim Organisation.

1 Malay-sia(L) said...

commonla, all of youz wakie, wakie...

did god/allah told some human he is GOD/ALLAH or did HUMAN named god, GOD and allah, ALLAH...?

so, did GOD did created human or HUMAN that has crated god...?

and btw, what is ALLAH in bahasa melayu? ALLAH is arabic, no?


and to southern malaysian,
remove-la your blinkers!!!

Anonymous said...

Sorry, but stupid Malaysians!! Who owns God??? Why do you need to defend Allah when He doesn't need one? He is God and God is ALMIGHTY!

Leto said...

Anon @ 11:37pm

"Indeed, the word Allah appears throughout Arabic translations of the Bible, since it is simply the Arabic name for Almighty God. Insha'llah, the examples below will help quell the doubts of those who have been duped into believing that Muslims worship a different god - either by the hostile media or by Christian missionary propaganda."

Please refer to

Anonymous said...

Patrick Teoh,

By the way, I aggree with Tun that the court cannot resolve this matter.

Why?, Because this is a religious issue. To the Muslim, this is not a racial issue, it is also not a legal issue. We see this as a religious issue.

So the court have decided in favour to Herald. What does this means to the Muslims....Absolutely nothing.

As far as the Muslim concern, the court does not have the authority on Religious matters. This is no longer a legal issue as was perceived by Herald.

Muslim only abide a judgement issued by the National Religious Council or Fatwa Council. The council decision will carry more significant weight.

Nevertheless, there are those who might be antagonize by this issue and will act according to their sentiment. There are also those who want to take advantage of the current situation and make it more worst.

I've read that "Malaysia Kini" that Muslim should just accept the court judgment and move on. I think they do not aware full gravity of the situation.

This is a very highly sensitive issue for the Muslims and cannot be resolve through legal means.

There have to be a debate on this matter by both Religious parties so that a peaceful solution can be achieved.

Southern Malaysian

Anonymous said...

Anonymous@Southern Malaysian 10.50pm & 1.07pm:

You made a complete ass of yourself with your ridiculous example of a man going to Beijing promoting a new religion and calling his god Buddha.

It shows you are totally ignorant of the fact that the Herald is not promoting a new religion and the fact that the Christian church in E.Malaysia was already using "A...." long before the botak ex-home minister in 2007 suddenly banned the use of the name.

Grow up and get out of your southern "tempurung".

Anonymous said...

It seems to me that Malaysia practise a different form of Islam, one that also serves the government.

Anonymous said...


Anonymous said...

The God(s0 must be at war in the heavens about us fighting over how to call them !!

All the more urgent for us to register as many voters as possible to throw ALL of them out by the next elections otherwise we might as well call ourselves NIAAMAA !!

Moo mommy said...

I will NEVER understand what muslim in malaysia think about!

kfoey said...

"Allah selamatkan Sultan..."--from Pahang.
Oops! I shouldn't sing it. ALLAH is not my TUHAN??? I'm confused.
Dewan Bahasa, please shed some light.


Anonymous said...

Selangor Anthem
Duli Yang Maha Mulia
Selamat di atas takhta
Allah lanjutkan usia Tuanku
Rakyat mohon restu bawah Duli Tuanku
Bahagia selama-lamanya
Aman dan sentosa
Duli Yang Maha Mulia

Literal English translation
His Royal Highness
Safe on His throne
May Allah grant you long life
The people ask for your blessings
Forever fortunate
Peace and serenity
His Royal Highness

What to do :-p

Anak Malaysia said...

ay ya we live in ma lay sia ma, what can you can do, the law is been control by the back stage. sa tu ma lay sia.... BOLEH!

Anonymous said...

Hi, this is the first time I'm viewing your blog.

James Michener, the novelist, in his book "The Source" said that the greatest atrocities against humanity are committed in the name of God.

As far as I know, all religions teach that God is compassionate, merciful and just. Given our present situation I wonder who is this God we worshipped.

Anonymous said...

This is no nuclear science or space technology here. It is high time for our great leader to show leadership to solve this problem. If they can't even manage this issue, then the people manage them!
May the Tua Pek Kong and Tai Ti Ya bless!

Health said...

Hello, patrick teoh,

Since when every smart @#$% want to play GOD. I think this due to lack of proper education. Anyway, our education system sucks. And these are the end results we get after more than 50 years of independence.
See what I tell you many years ago.
Be a politician.....

Health said...

that message sent earlier is from me... Robin Tay..

Anonymous said...

Posted in Biblical Textual Criticism, Concept of God, Hermeneutics

There are five reasons why it is legitimate to use Allah among Christians.
They are as follows:
1. The loan word Allah is the Arabic equivalent of the Hebrew names of God El, Elohim, Eloah in the Hebrew Old Testament.
2. Arab Christians from before the dawn of Islam have been praying to Allah, and Allah was used by Christian theologians writing in Arabic. So the Christian usage of Allah is actually older than Islam.
3. Allah is the word used for “God” in all Arabic versions of the Bible from the old Arabic Bible all the way to the modern Arabic Bible (Today’s Arabic Version).
4. Christians in countries like Algeria, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, and other places in Asia and Africa where the languages are in contact with Arabic, have almost all been using the word Allah as the Creator God and the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ.
5. Last but not least, in Malay and Indonesian the word Allah has been used continuously from the time of the first printed edition of Matthew’s Gospel in Malay (A.C. Ruyl, 1629). It was used in the first complete Malay Bible (M. Leijdecker, 1733), and in the second complete Malay Bible (H.C Klinkert, 1879), and has been used in other published Scriptures up to the
present day.

Anonymous said...

I am wondering...Have those who refuse to let "others" use the word Allah ever been to school. If they have not, how is it that they sit in authority deciding such important things that we ought to or ought not to use the name for God. On the other hand, if they have been to school, how come their stupidity shows so glaringly. Or shall we blame our Malaysian education system???...Puzzled

Felix said...

Hello, Mr Teoh. Your latest post RE: "Tuhan" is fantastic! I shared it with a few friends and now there's a debate on. Maybe you could help me settle the issue with them and tell me where you read/heard that those learned Malaysians insisted that "Tuhan" refers to the Christian god? Thanking you in advance and have a happy Sunday. God/Allah/Tuhan bless you. :-D


Anak Malaysia said...

Ha Ha Ha with all that fuss, next
General Election vote BN out..

Anonymous said...

Then what about we anak Selangor, taught in schools from those days till now, to sing the Selangor State song... Allah lanjutkan usia Tuanku... Damn what have they been teaching us in schools, man! How can Khir Toyo even be our MB??? Since he's the one who started this shit. No wonder he's an EX-MB now!

Anonymous said...

If you get confused over the use of a name to call your Creator - I really can't say much about your relationship with Him!

Anak Malaysia said...

that why his name is call khir

Anonymous said...

نَزَّلَ عَلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ بِالْحَقِّ مُصَدِّقاً لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ وَأَنزَلَ التَّوْرَاةَ وَالإِنجِيلَ﴿3:3﴾

He has revealed this Book to you, setting forth the truth and confirming the earlier Books, and earlier He revealed the Torah and Gospel

Surah Al-i-Imran 3:3

Looks like the God of the Quran, the God of the Torah and the God of the Bible are the same God.

Anonymous said...




Bismilah said...

Surely Justice Lau's judgement should shut-up and sums up all the "huha baloney cries" by the Umno's led troublemakers. Justice Lau is indeed a learned judge. Bold, solid and sound judgement. Unlike some judges we see in High Court, Court of Appeal or even Federal Court, making themselves more like a "kampung-penghulu" rather than court judges. Giving out decision arbitrarily without even supporting written judgement. Sigh! That's the current sad state of affairs in our Malaysian judiciary system. Justice Lau is one of the very rare species.
Malaysia is making itself truly a laughing stock to the world. Those ill-informed Malays trying to claims exclusive right to the word "Allah" by Malaynised the word. What a joke!
Going by the old Mamak apa nama's logic, God is Tuhan to the Christian. Shouldn't then the Rukunegara and Negara-ku be change to Allah instead? If remain status quo, wouldn't the Muslims deemed as praying and singing to a Christian's God? Oh mamak miya.... How dreadful.
If GOD is known as Allah (in Arabic), Father in Heaven/God Almighty (in English), Tin-Sun (God in Heaven in Chinese) and Yahweh (in Hebrew)?
Who give the right to the Malays the exclusive rights to use of the Arabic language name for God Almighty, Allah? To the foolish Muslims Malays, why fight over God’s name and cause friction and enmity between peace loving Muslims and Christians? We are all praying to the same GOD in heaven.
Hope the touble-makers know under the these three Abrahamic religions i.e. Judaism, Christians, Muslims have the very same person who will be the Judge in the Judgement day? His name is the Messiah (Jews), Jesus (Christians) and Isa (Moslems). All these 3 Abrahamic religions recognized that it would be His Judgement that we will face one day.
Please don't be overzealous and act like fools......!